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Tulpa arnt like inviting some angel/demon/spirit into your life. They are you. They might have different agendas or whatever. But they are still you. If you arnt a bad person, they arnt either.
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Makes sense
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💜 Hibiki 💜 & {Luna} 7/31/2018 7:00 PM
Thanks!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, anytime.
7:05 PM
Anyway, how did your friend handle the accidental Tulpa? @Rabz12
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Well, mostly
7:08 PM
They did some research, I did a ton more
7:09 PM
The reason I was so anxious about dehumanization was because I accidently did it to theirs
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How so?
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The way it was phrased was "instead of going "Oh cool he has a person he can always talk to" i was like "holy shit you have this cool THING going on in your brain"
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Abvieon {Alex} 7/31/2018 7:10 PM
"But they are still you. If you arnt a bad person, they arnt either." Not really. A tulpa can be very different from you in terms of opinions, beliefs, ideals, etc, and therefore could be a "bad person" if you yourself are not
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I think that if a tulpa turns out to be bad you already had those bad thoughts inside of you. It's like getting s***-faced drunk and then blaming all your bad behavior on the Alcohol the alcohol had nothing to do with it it just lowered your inhibitions enough that you did the stuff that you would normally think well maybe I probably shouldn't do that but that doesn't mean that you didn't want to do any of that stuff (edited)
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Abvieon {Alex} 7/31/2018 7:12 PM
Still, it's not very likely because they usually are influenced to a large degree by you
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@Rabz12 I don't think we would have ever been offended by that but every person is going to be different
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Also just generally talking like they were not able to hear
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Abvieon {Alex} 7/31/2018 7:14 PM
Well, not everything a tulpa is or can become has to be apart of yourself. They can develop traits and mindsets that you have never had or never would develop
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The other problem is that he's not comfortable proxying yet
7:14 PM
So its hard to get a read on her
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I'm very guilty of that every time that I use this Discord talking about them as if they're not there
7:15 PM
@Abvieon {Alex} I've heard people make the same argument about drugs and alcohol and I'm sorry I will have to agree to disagree
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Abvieon {Alex} 7/31/2018 7:16 PM
I don't understand why you're comparing tulpas to drugs and alcohol
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Mind and perception altering effects are things they have in common
7:17 PM
Side note
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I couldn't think of really anything else that fit. Sorry if you don't think that it does fit. I'm not saying they're the same thing I'm saying people use all sorts of things to make excuses for their own poor Behavior
7:17 PM
And I think it's rather immature and irresponsible to do so
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Apparently he smoked weed and she got really mad at hum because it fucked everything ip
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Abvieon {Alex} 7/31/2018 7:17 PM
The thing with tulpas is that you do not control their thoughts and actions. Sure, you can have some influence in how their personality turns out, but you have no direct control over what they say/do (edited)
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@Rabz12 like they weren't able to communicate very well after he smoked? Or something else?
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Wrecked the wondeland
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Abvieon {Alex} 7/31/2018 7:19 PM
You have the capability to control yourself while under the influence of drugs although it's more difficult than it is when you are sober. You can try to control a tulpa, but at the end of the day they can only control themselves.
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Look. I'm not saying it's impossible for a tulpa to be negative. People get pissed off and do stupid stuff all the time. I'm saying that leaving that open like that saying it can happen leads more people into oh well that was just my Tulpa that wasn't me at all.
7:20 PM
@Rabz12 well yeah. When you do a mind-altering drug it's going to alter the mind. That's all the Wonderland is. It's just a place that you build inside your own head
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I'm aware
7:21 PM
I was just amused by it
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Yeah I can see how that would go. We smoke, quite a bit actually. After awhile you either get used to it or find another way to do stuff I gu ess.
7:23 PM
Also she gets mad at him for smoking
7:24 PM
Just interesting
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Sorry @Abvieon {Alex}. That definately struck a nerve there sorry to come off so harsh. (edited)
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Abvieon {Alex} 7/31/2018 7:25 PM
It's ok, I understand where you're coming from
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Well hopefully she at least gets to enjoy the effects. Or does she not like that either?
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I don't think so
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That's what I find interesting. Though my tulpa have made the same request. It was illegal at the time and that was their concern. I like to see the differences between the host and tulpa.
8:09 PM
It's interesting
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I don't do any of it for that reason, but yeah
8:10 PM
I kinda wanna create one but I'm cuatious
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Yeah, not really something to just jump into.
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Mmmhym
8:18 PM
I'm reading a bunch
8:23 PM
Still. . . interested
8:23 PM
super interested >>
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Thoughts on whether you're gonna pursue it?
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I'm probably going to, to be honest.
8:26 PM
I've talked to another one of my good friends about it a little bit and basically told them to keep an eye on me and be the 'off button' for if I'm acting too strange or weird, but beyond that I'm interested enough to try it
8:27 PM
I'm just nervous about what Ill end up with, and anxious about actually following though
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As long as you approach the subject with love and care, you're going to be happy with the results.
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💜 Hibiki 💜 & {Luna} 7/31/2018 8:28 PM
{If you have good intentions, and give it lots of love, it's my belief that it will turn out fantastically.
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Seriously. They're not going to turn into murderous psychopath demons.
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💜 Hibiki 💜 & {Luna} 7/31/2018 8:29 PM
{^^^^^
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That's not what I'm afraid of. At all.
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💜 Hibiki 💜 & {Luna} 7/31/2018 8:29 PM
{What are you afraid of?
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I can't promise you based on my own experience that it will be all rainbows and sunshine. But it is pretty magical really.
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As a matter of fact, I'm not sure what I'm afraid of. Beyond simply believing in something so, to be frank, outlandish.
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Only one way to find out if your belief is warranted.
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💜 Hibiki 💜 & {Luna} 7/31/2018 8:30 PM
{Well, it's a fairly major change, I think it's natural to be a bit afraid.
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My worry is more how it'll change my prospective on things? I'm afraid of beleving in something like this because it feels so fake, yet one of the people I trust the most is expierencing it first hand and it sounds amazing. . . so. I don't know
8:31 PM
It's conflicting, concerning and confusing all in one
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I think it will change your perspective.
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But for the better.
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I know having me around has helped my host a ton. I'm here for her when she needs someone, and she's here for me when I need someone.
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💜 Hibiki 💜 & {Luna} 7/31/2018 8:32 PM
{^^^^^ 100000%^^^^^^
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It hasn't really changed anything for me really. I'm more open to certain concepts perhaps, but it's probably nothing more than the time without them would have given me. As said, having someone there for you is very important.
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The other problem that I have is that I don't even really love myself? How am I supposed to love an entity that I create from myself if that is the case?
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It teaches you alot about yourself. Or it did me anyway. There are alot of things I was either not realizing or purposefully not seeing of myself.
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(oh please, my host still doesn't love herself)
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💜 Hibiki 💜 & {Luna} 7/31/2018 8:35 PM
{Heh, I hate my self so much...
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It's often easier to direct what would be self-love towards someone else.
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Well for one. Neither did I and still don't love me, I guess you would say. I love them. For what they have done for me, what we have been through together. For putting up with me all this time. Because I'm even still mostly up front. It's only a very recent thing learning how to switch.
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It's made it easier to accept being me though. If that makes any sense
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@Rabz12 I can not speak from experience, but I believe it is possible to love another even if you don't love yourself.
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However, if you sincerely doubt your ability, you probably shouldn't make one.
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Tulpas, like hosts, deserve love.
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I agree, and that's why I'm dubious about it
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It's just weird and I'm trying and failing to organize my thoughts on it
8:46 PM
sorry for being so spammy :/
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Do you have any family?
8:48 PM
Though, to be honest I trust the one friend I talked to about it more then my family regarding stuff like this
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not my point. do you love your family? Any member of it?
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then you're capable of loving a tulpa you make
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while the tulpa is made from your mind, they are their own entity
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That's fair
8:55 PM
Honestly, at this point I'm just a confused bundle of curiosity and anxiety
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well, that's why we're here
8:56 PM
What are you waiting for?
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